The Shirley Exception is how people who are only mundanely monstrous, moderately monstrous, wind up supporting policies that are completely monstrous.

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  1. Massive overcompensation against “cheaters” is a conservative cornerstone. They just hate it, at least literally every conservative I know. Maybe there are corners where it’s less pronounced.

  2. < ![CDATA[Massive overcompensation against "cheaters" is a conservative cornerstone. They just hate it, at least literally every conservative I know. Maybe there are corners where it's less pronounced.]]>

  3. Paul Beakley – Like when you cheat to hurt minorities (required price of admission for the Republican Party), push your candidate through a dubious process to get elected (Bush II, et al.), or run a business that routinely cheats everyone it can (Trump, et al.).

  4. < ![CDATA[Paul Beakley - Like when you cheat to hurt minorities (required price of admission for the Republican Party), push your candidate through a dubious process to get elected (Bush II, et al.), or run a business that routinely cheats everyone it can (Trump, et al.).]]>

  5. Sandy J-T oh most definitely. Hence the scare quotes.

    Specifically related to welfare, I’ve seen some super weird mental gymnastics around white welfare cheats. I’m sure everyone has, yeah?

  6. < ![CDATA[Sandy J-T oh most definitely. Hence the scare quotes. Specifically related to welfare, I've seen some super weird mental gymnastics around white welfare cheats. I'm sure everyone has, yeah?]]>

  7. Sandy J-T & Paul Beakley “What about all the white folk on welfare?” “But but but but…”

    Every welfare conversation I’ve had with my right-leaning (right-fallen? It’s not just a lean anymore) family members. That’s not empirical evidence, I know, but but but…

  8. < ![CDATA[Sandy J-T & Paul Beakley "What about all the white folk on welfare?" "But but but but..." Every welfare conversation I've had with my right-leaning (right-fallen? It's not just a lean anymore) family members. That's not empirical evidence, I know, but but but...]]>

  9. Around here, conservatives existed before it was usual to see non-white people in the country. The value conservatives were mostly Christian of some flavour. I was young enough to not have a clear view of what the financially conservative people did, but my best guess would be supporting agriculture, rich people and big businesses.

    This suggests that being conservative is not fundamentally a matter of racism. In modern USA, there seems to be a strong connection. I would also guess that racism implies some degree of value conservatism, but probably there are counterexamples somewhere.

  10. < ![CDATA[Around here, conservatives existed before it was usual to see non-white people in the country. The value conservatives were mostly Christian of some flavour. I was young enough to not have a clear view of what the financially conservative people did, but my best guess would be supporting agriculture, rich people and big businesses. This suggests that being conservative is not fundamentally a matter of racism. In modern USA, there seems to be a strong connection. I would also guess that racism implies some degree of value conservatism, but probably there are counterexamples somewhere.]]>

  11. Sounds about right. “Law and order” often seems to be more about making other people toe the preferred line. Just don’t point out how the law can be a tool of oppression or anything similarly inconvenient like that.

  12. < ![CDATA[Sounds about right. "Law and order" often seems to be more about making other people toe the preferred line. Just don't point out how the law can be a tool of oppression or anything similarly inconvenient like that.]]>

  13. Tommi Brander

    The American parti s have always been big tents, with many supporting poles. There’s usually some principle that “sorts” people into one or the other, but what it is changes over time, and there’s typically considerable lag meaning that each party works out a separate compromise on whatever the Major Issue was.

    The gulf between the parties is larger, and over Obama’s two terms, the sort along “white resentment v. Minority rights” has happened with dramatic speed.

    Conservative needn’t mean racist. Right now, I honestly think the Democratic Party is, mostly, conservative — in the sense of wanting the pace of change to be slow enough that good things aren’t mostly destroyed along with the bad. The Republican Party has picked up a lot of resentment, and a lot of reactionaries, over the last decade…especially as they keep winning on economic policies (which don’t go as expected) and losing on social policies.

  14. < ![CDATA[Tommi Brander The American parti s have always been big tents, with many supporting poles. There’s usually some principle that “sorts” people into one or the other, but what it is changes over time, and there’s typically considerable lag meaning that each party works out a separate compromise on whatever the Major Issue was. The gulf between the parties is larger, and over Obama’s two terms, the sort along “white resentment v. Minority rights” has happened with dramatic speed. Conservative needn’t mean racist. Right now, I honestly think the Democratic Party is, mostly, conservative — in the sense of wanting the pace of change to be slow enough that good things aren’t mostly destroyed along with the bad. The Republican Party has picked up a lot of resentment, and a lot of reactionaries, over the last decade...especially as they keep winning on economic policies (which don’t go as expected) and losing on social policies.]]>