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  1. Andy Hauge Feanor rebelled for his own pride, betraying his own kind in doing so, condemning the Trees to never be restored in Arda or Valinor for his own desire to keep the Silmarils.

    Idris Elba sacrificed himself to cancel the apocalypse for everyone else.
    He is not of the ruthless and self-centered Finwë’s brood!

  2. < ![CDATA[Andy Hauge Feanor rebelled for his own pride, betraying his own kind in doing so, condemning the Trees to never be restored in Arda or Valinor for his own desire to keep the Silmarils. Idris Elba sacrificed himself to cancel the apocalypse for everyone else. He is not of the ruthless and self-centered Finwë's brood!]]>

  3. Fingolfin’s people.
    Even if they didn’t partecipate to the massacre of Alqalondë they still rebelled to the Valar and followed Fëanor out of sheer arrogance. Even Finarfin followed Fëanor, in the beginning, valuing his own pride and desire over loyalty to the Valar and his place in Valinor.
    Idris is no Noldo.

  4. < ![CDATA[Fingolfin's people. Even if they didn't partecipate to the massacre of Alqalondë they still rebelled to the Valar and followed Fëanor out of sheer arrogance. Even Finarfin followed Fëanor, in the beginning, valuing his own pride and desire over loyalty to the Valar and his place in Valinor. Idris is no Noldo.]]>

  5. Mark Delsing well, you talk about Galadriel… ok.

    Galadriel is Finarfin’s daughter with Eärwen of Alqualonde, Teleri princess of the House of Olwë. Her paternal grandmother is, of course, Indis of the Vanyar.
    In her we find all the three hosts of the Calaquendi, and from this ancestry she, like all the sons and daughter of Finarfin and Fingolfin, she get her fair hairs, so uncarachteristic of the Noldor.

    One could even argue that she is considered Noldo just by paternal lineage, but her ancestry is much less Noldo than, say, Teleri. By comparison, her own grandaughter Arwen has more Noldo “blood” than herself, thanks to the ties with the line of Fingolfin that she gets from her father Elrond.

    Now, Galadriel is atypical not only for her hair, but also for her demeanor.
    She had the Noldor pride, sure, but it was tempered by a keen sense of justice and loyalty, and a deep love for peace that many of her kin loose in the late years of the Trees. She have always preferred the company of the Teleri, her mother’s kin, over her gransire’s Noldor, up to marry one (even if it’s not clear if Celeborn was a Falmer or a Sindar), spending in the Teleri court of Doriath most of the First Age of the Sun and reigning over a Laiquendi nation in the Third Age.

    It’s not even clear when she left Valinor. She despised Fëanor, of course, but it’s possible that she was with his uncle Fingolfin on Helcaraxe, or that she left alone with his spouse before the rebellion.
    Anyway she DID incour in Mandos’ curse, showing that, one way of the other, she was touched by the Noldor narcissism and egotism.

    So, pointing at Galadriel as an example of Noldor behaviour is both inaccurate as she has always been different, and it confirms my idea that Idris is no Noldo because he is too perfect and self-sacrificing to be one 😛

    (I didn’t flex my Tolkien nerd muscles like this in age. Thank you XD )

  6. < ![CDATA[Mark Delsing well, you talk about Galadriel... ok. Galadriel is Finarfin's daughter with Eärwen of Alqualonde, Teleri princess of the House of Olwë. Her paternal grandmother is, of course, Indis of the Vanyar. In her we find all the three hosts of the Calaquendi, and from this ancestry she, like all the sons and daughter of Finarfin and Fingolfin, she get her fair hairs, so uncarachteristic of the Noldor. One could even argue that she is considered Noldo just by paternal lineage, but her ancestry is much less Noldo than, say, Teleri. By comparison, her own grandaughter Arwen has more Noldo "blood" than herself, thanks to the ties with the line of Fingolfin that she gets from her father Elrond. Now, Galadriel is atypical not only for her hair, but also for her demeanor. She had the Noldor pride, sure, but it was tempered by a keen sense of justice and loyalty, and a deep love for peace that many of her kin loose in the late years of the Trees. She have always preferred the company of the Teleri, her mother's kin, over her gransire's Noldor, up to marry one (even if it's not clear if Celeborn was a Falmer or a Sindar), spending in the Teleri court of Doriath most of the First Age of the Sun and reigning over a Laiquendi nation in the Third Age. It's not even clear when she left Valinor. She despised Fëanor, of course, but it's possible that she was with his uncle Fingolfin on Helcaraxe, or that she left alone with his spouse before the rebellion. Anyway she DID incour in Mandos' curse, showing that, one way of the other, she was touched by the Noldor narcissism and egotism. So, pointing at Galadriel as an example of Noldor behaviour is both inaccurate as she has always been different, and it confirms my idea that Idris is no Noldo because he is too perfect and self-sacrificing to be one 😛 (I didn't flex my Tolkien nerd muscles like this in age. Thank you XD )]]>

  7. Wait… Galadriel is not subject to Mandos’ Curse: she does get to go back West to Valinor (unlike Maeglor, the only surviving son of Feanor, cursed to roam the lands of Middle Earth* forever).

    * …and the cover of the single CD of Mirror Mirror, of course. That I have, somewhere. OF COURSE.

  8. < ![CDATA[Wait... Galadriel is not subject to Mandos' Curse: she does get to go back West to Valinor (unlike Maeglor, the only surviving son of Feanor, cursed to roam the lands of Middle Earth* forever). * ...and the cover of the single CD of Mirror Mirror, of course. That I have, somewhere. OF COURSE.]]>

  9. Ezio Melega That is some kick-ass nerdery, sir!

    The Tolkien Professor (which I’ve been listening to) says that she did indeed cross the Grinding Ice with FIngolfin. And he makes a point that she did have some of the self-aggrandizing of the Noldor, in that one of her motivations for leaving Valinor was to find a realm of her own to rule.

    Renato Ramonda the TP also says that the moment where she refuses the One Ring is when she is absolved and allowed to sail West. That’s the test she says she has passed.

  10. < ![CDATA[Ezio Melega That is some kick-ass nerdery, sir! The Tolkien Professor (which I've been listening to) says that she did indeed cross the Grinding Ice with FIngolfin. And he makes a point that she did have some of the self-aggrandizing of the Noldor, in that one of her motivations for leaving Valinor was to find a realm of her own to rule. Renato Ramonda the TP also says that the moment where she refuses the One Ring is when she is absolved and allowed to sail West. That's the test she says she has passed.]]>

  11. Renato Ramonda
    “In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible [yadda yadda] and despair!”
    She lifted her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminied her alone and left all else in the dark. [scary CG Cate Blanchett].
    And lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf- woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
    “I pass the test,” she said. “I will diminish, and go into the west, and remain Galadriel”.

    This passage fromt The Fellowship of the Ring is usually considered to mean that, yes, Galadriel, like all the Noldor that left Valinor, even the ones that were not part of the massacre of Alqualondë was subjected to the Curse, and her act of will refusing the Ring was her final atonement and, after that, she reedemed herself and was allowed to leave the Middle Earth.
    The story that she left indipendently is an old one, in the more recent texts and notes it seems that Tolkien considered her fully part of Fingolfin host, and thus subjected to the Curse even through her hatred for Fëanor and his sons (and making Celeborn a Sindar relative of Thingol, not a Calaquendi).

  12. < ![CDATA[Renato Ramonda "In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible [yadda yadda] and despair!”
    She lifted her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminied her alone and left all else in the dark. [scary CG Cate Blanchett].
    And lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf- woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
    “I pass the test,” she said. “I will diminish, and go into the west, and remain Galadriel”.
    This passage fromt The Fellowship of the Ring is usually considered to mean that, yes, Galadriel, like all the Noldor that left Valinor, even the ones that were not part of the massacre of Alqualondë was subjected to the Curse, and her act of will refusing the Ring was her final atonement and, after that, she reedemed herself and was allowed to leave the Middle Earth.
    The story that she left indipendently is an old one, in the more recent texts and notes it seems that Tolkien considered her fully part of Fingolfin host, and thus subjected to the Curse even through her hatred for Fëanor and his sons (and making Celeborn a Sindar relative of Thingol, not a Calaquendi).]]>

  13. Yeah, I was thinking about that. A devout Christian like JRRT would have probably considered such penance and self-humbling to have a redeeming quality in the eyes of Eru Ilúvatar (who, while removed from Eä, is still in the background, watching and tending to Arda and all his children).

  14. < ![CDATA[Yeah, I was thinking about that. A devout Christian like JRRT would have probably considered such penance and self-humbling to have a redeeming quality in the eyes of Eru Ilúvatar (who, while removed from Eä, is still in the background, watching and tending to Arda and all his children).]]>

  15. “Helllooooo Sailooor!”

    “First mate! I told you to set your course a bit farther from Elenna’s shores. Those Numenoreans can be so friggin thirsty! As soon as they’ll find a Vanyar that’ll look like he’s friendly they’ll believe whatever he says and do whatever he wants, mark my words!”

    “Aye aye, cap’n!”

  16. < ![CDATA[“Helllooooo Sailooor!”
    “First mate! I told you to set your course a bit farther from Elenna’s shores. Those Numenoreans can be so friggin thirsty! As soon as they’ll find a Vanyar that’ll look like he’s friendly they’ll believe whatever he says and do whatever he wants, mark my words!”
    “Aye aye, cap’n!”]]>

  17. Mark Delsing, can you link me to the podcast? This website is a mess and I can’t find anything.

    Either that or you just can’t download them, which would explain why I stopped listening.

    News flash, content creators, not everyone has unlimited data. Jerks.

  18. < ![CDATA[Mark Delsing, can you link me to the podcast? This website is a mess and I can't find anything. Either that or you just can't download them, which would explain why I stopped listening. News flash, content creators, not everyone has unlimited data. Jerks.]]>